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nation15

5 Sep 2010, 11:45

EA has posted a new portion (http://www.medalofhonor.com/multiplayer) of their site with a section of Understanding the Game. Also in the modes section it says only two modes have been revealed with more to come, meaning combat mission, and team assault won't be the only two modes! Also it has been updated that there is now 24 weapons in the game.

Understanding the Game
Authenticity and respect for the soldier have always been core tenets of the Medal of Honor franchise. That has never been more true than it is today. This year's game, set in Afghanistan, pays homage to today's soldier. Several veterans – active and retired – have participated as consultants on this game. Some of the Tier 1 operators we've worked with have participated in a video series called "Tier 1 Interview Series" where they share their unique insights directly with you. To view them, click here. Working with these select Tier 1 operators has allowed us to create the most authentic experience possible.
Medal of Honor features a robust single-player experience where U.S. soldiers conduct operations in today's theatre of war, Afghanistan. In the multiplayer game, the same setting is carried over but now, the battles are two-sided. Multiplayer combat is a long-standing, common and popular feature of videogames. The dynamics of multiplayer require that teams assume the identities of combatants on both sides of the conflict. One team plays the good guys; the other plays the bad guys. In Medal of Honor multiplayer, gamers assume the roles of American forces and their insurgent enemies. Many popular videogames allow players to assume the identity of enemies including Nazis and terrorists.
We feel a deep sympathy and respect for the soldiers and people with family members killed or wounded in Afghanistan. From cave paintings, to the Iliad, to films like Saving Private Ryan and The Hurt Locker, every generation tells its battle stories in the prevailing format of the time. Medal of Honor is a soldier's story, told to us by Tier 1 Operators who fought in Afghanistan. This is their story.

How do you think players will react?
We expect it to be controversial. We expect that not everyone will be comfortable with this -- but we understand that multiplayer games require two sides to battle against each other in real time.
It's not about making gamers play as Insurgents so they can shoot Coalition soldiers, or vice versa. It is about creating a design model that correlates to the authenticity of the game.
This is to the same as World War II-inspired multiplayer shooters where players are used to playing as Nazis against Allied soldiers.
MOH multiplayer pits two evenly matched and balanced fighting forces against each other in environments based on real-life Afghanistan locations.
Our goal is to allow players to try to attain elite status, in whatever side they choose.

ODG6Actual

6 Sep 2010, 09:07

Ive been working this issue since this site stands smack dab in the middle of the fray. As admitted military gamers who in general enjoyed the medal of honor beta yet did voice concerns early about the current conflict angle I think we have a lot to offer in this debate.

I completely disagree with the AAFES choice, the game is far from so offensive it needs to be pulled from shelves. Given that the US Military has been directly cooperating with the development of this title I find it difficult to understand the rationale.

Sensitivity in this situation is not about pulling copies. In this day and age access is easy so those who wish to get hands on the game will, AAFES is just not going to see those sales. EA has never to my knowledge pressed in the media that you're able to play as the Taliban and kill the Coalition forces. Clearly this would be easily downplayed and those that CHOOSE to purchase the game and then CHOOSE to play the game could do as they please based on their own personal experience and opinions.

I have pictures and video from a 2007 event where it was happily encouraged to play head to head with gamers in Medal of Honor Airborne where they took turns playing as the Americans as well as the Germans. There wasn't a single comment or complaint about feeling disturbed at shooting US Paratroopers when the role reversed itself.

The bottom line here is that I believe the decision process at this level is based on people who do not play this type of game and do not fully understand that when you play them, the names, sounds/voices and equipment is different but you are the same. You are going after the opposing force (no matter what they look like or what name they wear). This is a basic understanding of the multi player experience. Making it appear to look like the two factions that are engaged in this war just adds to the immersion factor.

I would like to get a comment from the CG to find out IF he's actually played the game before making such a decision.

.Heavy

6 Sep 2010, 11:19

This MOH Game is the first game that make me discuss it in another thread expressing my feelings because it was done well enough to make me think I am the bad guy shooting down Marines or vice versa.

Especially in a battle that is ongoing as I type this. I am not certain we should be even talking to people who are not gamers, but only to people who know the game, those who are former Military (And CAME FROM those areas shown in the game recently) and challenge the Corporate types in the company that allowed such a game to be made.

It has been my experience over the years that Board Room Officers of a XYZ Company wearing suits have lost or forgotten all connection to what got them elevated to such lofty position. They only get to say yes or no, make a decision and move on.

The recent thread made by Hitman in these forums should stand as a fine example of opinions, facts and strong feelings that were shared openly and without hate or flaming. I am surprised that it worked out so well, and am very happy for it.

Now. Let's see a good game made. But I will be the one holding my nose when playing the bad guys.

And let's drop the Mary Poppins Illusion (Showing my age here...) that our current Enemies wont somehow get copies from retail of this game and blast US Marines. You know it will happen.

The only comfort I can draw from exercises in virtual worlds in gaming or simulation is when you get a Platoon or a Company together on a LAN, eventually within a few minutes everyone involved is yelling and screaming at each other doing their personal best to blast each other into oblivion. I doubt I would last 5 seconds against such a team.

DevilDogJ

6 Sep 2010, 13:14

First as was stated in the other MOH forums debating this issue I have been so impressed by the good open communation about the issue, even with high emotions. It really is great to see how others in the military community feel and why, and be able to communicate that.
I feel it's funny to see some of these companies come down on EA about this issue, but lack any support for the troops, or at worse are not even getting their opinions, but instead see an oppertunity to make headlines for themselves. There have been war games for years involving US military and nothing was said, so it's intresting to see so many had an issue about this.
This is not an easy debate, and some people with have strong issues about playing as taliban, but at least people should have the oppertunity to make their own decisions. That in itself it what most of us have fought for. If you are uneasy about playing a game as an enemy of our current conflict, and rightful so, then you don't have to play it. Those who are able to see it as a virtual playground should also be able to play the game. Thats whats great it is each persons decision.
The medal of Honor series has really done a good job at honoring the military getting military personal on board so I am sure their consultants were on board with this idea before lanch. I hope I am not offending anyone. I really feel I should be able to make the choice for myself as others should be for themselves.

.Heavy

6 Sep 2010, 15:49

No Offense taken.

I do get offended when I sit in front of the Satellite TV and the Air head anchor with the effeminate yes man partner blab or gush about what a company is doing making a video game as if it was the first time anyone has ever seen such a thing. And then go on to do very poor copy of such a game and makes half the Nation think the whole thing is a bad idea.

Yes the Media is offending to me. They are awful laser-precise when some Superstar either has a good or bad thing happen and then become quite obtuse, dumb and non-functioning when anything else happens or quite negative about any particular item they choose to be. They think they are the voice of the People. They are not.

Medal of Honor, COD and other games in the very beginning drew my interest because if you are standing in a French Street somewhere in Europe and there is a heavy Panzer prowling around the corner, History come alive and the period weapons, uniform, scenery and so forth are of quality work and renders honor and remembered that way.

But when you get into a war game and somehow make it a bad thing or such a terrible act or perhaps gloss over it and ignore that they may try to make it as accurate as possible with today's technology or other important things then... I feel as if the Media or something is a slap to the Military.

Our Military is some of our finest this Land has to offer and anything that is not good for them is offensive to me. I don't drink kool-aid or live in lala land. I just avoid watching too much media and apparently have adopted that since 9-11 and choose to follow the Net (With a grain of salt) because companies that make these video games often rely on the net to release what they deem that the gamer community is allowed to hear.

My one experience with the media long ago was the old Tech TV when they featured a Novalogic Video Game that was just coming out of Beta and had about 64 of us by invitation play several rounds within a very strict time schedule. During that schedule the Tech TV Stars will also be playing and telling the world what they thought of the game in general terms. It was a nice little game but between commericals and other items compete for attention for a one hour show, the game itself did not get much exposure.

.Heavy

6 Sep 2010, 21:24

To avoid confusion, I uninstalled and retired out of the BFBC2. I needed that SSD Hard Drive clean for the MOH that is coming as well as the BF3 Beta that is also coming.

So for some of you who think that ".Heavy" has vanished. That is explanation. I look forward to getting into it less than a month from now more or less when the game arrives in the mail. In the meantime I will see about that Arma two and such.

TG xHITMANx

7 Sep 2010, 07:54

I have pictures and video from a 2007 event where it was happily encouraged to play head to head with gamers in Medal of Honor Airborne where they took turns playing as the Americans as well as the Germans. There wasn't a single comment or complaint about feeling disturbed at shooting US Paratroopers when the role reversed itself.

...sigh...

But how many WWII Veterans were there playing the demo?

http://p-o-o-p.org/public/style_emoticons/default/pardon.gif

Especially in a battle that is ongoing as I type this. I am not certain we should be even talking to people who are not gamers, but only to people who know the game, those who are former Military (And CAME FROM those areas shown in the game recently)
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This is an issue as well as seen above. There is a disconnect in the communication here of understanding that there is a difference between CURRENT Veterans playing WWII games. You think a 35 yr old OIF veteran has the same emotional connection playing as a German than would that of a WWII Veteran? of course not!
Of course there are lots of veterans who've been looking at the game, however I've heard from very few (Current Conflict Veterans Grunts) who just got back from kicking in doors in that country that are excited about being the Taliban.

Like your saying .Heavy, if you want a REAL no shit opinion. Don't ask Submariner Joe, or some Admin Guru who's been sitting in a FOB, or a Mechanic who works inside a base. Not saying those aren't honorable jobs, they all have to be done, but none of these Veterans current conflict or not, none of them bare the same respectable weighted opinion on this issue as those who have kicked in doors and killed Taliban Insurgents, or has had comrades die by Taliban Insurgents in the process. There is quite a difference.
Would a clerk who sat inside Kandahar AFB for 9 months handing out money, have the same connection with a grunt who's been in several fire fights, killed Taliban Soldiers, and has had friends KIA by those same Taliban soldiers? Aboslutely not. How could he? Is he a Current Veteran of OEF? Yes, however do we see the disconnect here? Hopefully so.

There have been war games for years involving US military and nothing was said, so it's intresting to see so many had an issue about this.
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But none have been CURRENT. I think that's the main issue here brother.

CoD series, MW I & II, RSV, Ghost Recon, Battlefield series, the list is long. How many of these have characters depicted to be Taliban or Al-Qaeda(Current Adversaries) in their Multiplayer Game modes?

OPFOR, Resistance Force, Russian, German, China, etc, these exist of course. The conflicts with these countries has been far removed, HOWEVER there are Old Veteran's who would probably have an issue playing this game if they had to be the opposing force that they fought against in the past. Does the same applies to them? If they don't like it, they don't have to play it? I suppose so, but I somehow think had any of these games been available in the 40's, there would have been a MUCH different response to them.

Maybe this can better help relate my point.

While we were all home this long Labor Day weekend, these young men paid the ultimate price with their lives. KILLED by the Taliban. THIS WEEKEND!

If this doesn't get the point across, I'm not sure what will.

9-06-2010 NATO NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported 0 Hostile - hostile fire
9-05-2010 Georgian Shukvani, Mukhran Lieutenant Age: 0 Hostile - hostile fire
9-05-2010 NATO NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported Age: 0 Hostile - hostile fire
9-05-2010 UK Griffiths, Andrew Captain Age:25 Hostile - hostile fire
9-05-2010 UK Pool, Joseph McFarlane Lance Corporal Age:26 hostile fire
9-04-2010 US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported Age: 0 hostile fire
9-03-2010 NATO NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported Age: 0 hostile fire
9-03-2010 US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported Age: 0 hostile fire
9-02-2010 US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not yet reported Age: 0 hostile fire
9-02-2010 US Twigg, Joshua T. Lance Corporal Age:21 hostile fire
9-01-2010 US Rodgers, Christopher B. Lance Corporal Age:20 hostile fire

Now tell me, when's the last time a German, Russian, Japanese or any other PAST Enemy Combatant, killed a US Service member?

Yet like I've said before, the TALIBAN is killing US Service members Today, yesterday and will be tomorrow. Not Germans or Koreans, the Taliban! The same TALIBAN that EA is asking us to act like in their upcoming title.

Again I say;
*You know thinking more about this, why would DICE care? and why would they feel any different about it? THEY AREN'T AMERICAN!*
(Another form of disconnect in the mix to think about)

.Heavy

7 Sep 2010, 10:29

Loud and clear TG xHitmanx.

When MOH comes in, I will make a specific action by staying with the US Marine for each and every online map.

I will NOT play as the Taliban. Or fire one shot. If the online server swaps me automatically for balance, I am going to stop the playtime.

It is my hope that DICE or who makes this game show sensitivity and allows a player to pick one side only. If they don't then that is how I am going to play online. If sufficient people feel the same, it might be good to see eventually in the Statistics plenty of USMC game time but Zero Taliban.

Once again, thank you for your wonderful posting. You have put better words into what I was trying to think "Disconnect" indeed.

Rant

7 Sep 2010, 11:42

but none of these Veterans current conflict or not, none of them bare the same respectable weighted opinion on this issue as those who have kicked in doors and killed Taliban Insurgents, or has had comrades die by Taliban Insurgents in the process. There is quite a difference.

Going to have to disagree with you on this paragraph. I was a 35F or a special electronics device repairer. I was up and down the roads fixing NODs and other electronics. I was putting my head down when the mortars came in, I was blown face first into a hesco basket from a VBIED and lost a hell of an officer that day as well. I shot at folks when it was called for, and honestly I cannot tell you if I killed anyone or not which is sometimes more disconcerting. To say that if you are not a grunt you dont have the same "respected weighted opinion" is pure arrogance and it got my Irish up just reading it, it minimalizes what non grunts go though.

In todays conflicts more and more non infantry MOS's are pulling infantry jobs because the situation demands it, so lets not turn this into a you were a mechanic on a FOB so you dont dont know what your talking about situation. Rather lets respect that we all have individual stories from OIF/OEF and that sometimes even a non 11B can have stories that carry as much weight as their infantry counterparts.

TG xHITMANx

7 Sep 2010, 13:08

Going to have to disagree with you on this paragraph. I was a 35F or a special electronics device repairer. I was up and down the roads fixing NODs and other electronics. I was putting my head down when the mortars came in, I was blown face first into a hesco basket from a VBIED and lost a hell of an officer that day as well. I shot at folks when it was called for, and honestly I cannot tell you if I killed anyone or not which is sometimes more disconcerting. To say that if you are not a grunt you dont have the same "respected weighted opinion" is pure arrogance and it got my Irish up just reading it, it minimalizes what non grunts go though.

In todays conflicts more and more non infantry MOS's are pulling infantry jobs because the situation demands it, so lets not turn this into a you were a mechanic on a FOB so you dont dont know what your talking about situation. Rather lets respect that we all have individual stories from OIF/OEF and that sometimes even a non 11B can have stories that carry as much weight as their infantry counterparts.

You missed the point.

You have also drawn a complete Strawman argument from my post which was very clear.

My words were chosen carefully.

Here's what I said;
Don't ask Submariner Joe, or some Admin Guru who's been sitting in a FOB, or a Mechanic who works inside a base. Not saying those aren't honorable jobs, they all have to be done

Now I'll take it to the extreme comparison so that the point can be made more clearly.

Someone who flies 10,000 feet above the ground, or who sits 100 miles off the coast in a Navy ship, or someone who sat in a Base and never left that base for their whole deployment, WILL NOT and CANNOT have the same emotional connection to what I am talking about. It's impossible.

To say that if you are not a grunt you dont have the same "respected weighted opinion" is pure arrogance

You draw yet another statement from misunderstanding my point.

Do you call a lawyer when your truck needs to be fixed?
Nope. Does that mean the lawyer doesn't know about Truck Maintainence? Nope, but he might not be the best person to contact.

If you got some Combat exp, good for you, I'm not talking about you.

I say again; (and this might have been when the Irish was coming out and you might not have read it) :tongue_smilie:

Would a clerk who sat inside Kandahar AFB for 9 months handing out money, have the same connection with a grunt who's been in several fire fights, killed Taliban Soldiers, and has had friends KIA by those same Taliban soldiers? Aboslutely not. How could he?

Same applies to Prior Campaign Veterans. You think a Koren war Vet has the same connection as I do about the Taliban? and I towards Korean's?

How brother? Can you not see my point in that quote?

Vandoo22

7 Sep 2010, 13:09

Rant

7 Sep 2010, 14:59

Now I'll take it to the extreme comparison so that the point can be made more clearly.

Someone who flies 10,000 feet above the ground, or who sits 100 miles off the coast in a Navy ship, or someone who sat in a Base and never left that base for their whole deployment, WILL NOT and CANNOT have the same emotional connection to what I am talking about. It's impossible.

I will agree that the high fliers, and the sea side navy might not share the attachment, but even sitting on a base you are affected. I will agree not to the emotional point of the guy there in the doorway but just being there leaves its mark. So don't discount that the feelings of they guy fixing the truck covered in blood and shell casings isnt feeling some of the impact themselves, that was what I meant.

You draw yet another statement from misunderstanding my point.

Do you call a lawyer when your truck needs to be fixed?
Nope. Does that mean the lawyer doesn't know about Truck Maintainence? Nope, but he might not be the best person to contact.

If you got some Combat exp, good for you, I'm not talking about you.

I say again; (and this might have been when the Irish was coming out and you might not have read it) :tongue_smilie:Dont forget this isnt just apples and oranges here, if your in the service especially the ground pounding side you are cross trained for more than one job. Hell if I told my CO that I was just gonna fix NOD's and not go outside the wire he would have had my ass in a sling. The old addage that we are all riflemen is becoming more true with each engagement.

Same applies to Prior Campaign Veterans. You think a Koren war Vet has the same connection as I do about the Taliban? and I towards Korean's?

How brother? Can you not see my point in that quote?I completely agree with you there.

MM11C

7 Sep 2010, 15:22

Someone who flies 10,000 feet above the ground, or who sits 100 miles off the coast in a Navy ship, or someone who sat in a Base and never left that base for their whole deployment, WILL NOT and CANNOT have the same emotional connection to what I am talking about. It's impossible..........

Who the fuck you are to judge me???? Or any other service member for that matter, just because they don't live up to your "standard" of a "combat experience".

Not all of us are "door kickers", but some of us have been in the past. Cleaning up a fellow servicemembers blood off the floor of your aircraft is pretty fucking emotional even if you didn't know the guy. Oh and he was dead, in a shipping container and on the way home via Dover AB. Having guys die on your airplane as you are winging them to the hospital as fast as you can fly is pretty fucking emotional. Hauling stinking, sweaty, sorry ass PUCs (captured insurgents) back and forth between two shithole cities in Iraq is pretty intense. Being rocketed or mortared is pretty intense. Your experience is your experience. How you deal with it is what sets you apart from you fellow servicemembers.

I, meaning me, was personally shot at whilst flying over A'stan on the FIFTH day of the war. 12 Oct 01. Believe you me.....it was pretty fucking intense. I guess that wasn't combat enough for you??? Just because I didn't hear the crack of the round, didn't mean those 37mm tracers weren't seeking me out. That was a come to Jesus moment that is forever seared into my mind. Where the fuck were you on 12 Oct 2001???

Don't you DARE knock another service members wartime experiences be they a Navy SEAL or a fricking cook in the Corps. They all serve and they all deserve respect. Especially from fellow Servicemembers.

nation15

7 Sep 2010, 15:31

Well this thread definitely jumped the tracks from where I intended it to go but that's the beauty of forums, open discussion.

I'm not going to touch the military connection to Medal of Honor because I myself never had the pleasure of serving. The only thing I can compare similar in nature is games that are cops -vs- robbers.

I am a member of the St. Louis County Police Department, as such when the opportunity arises in a game like APB, Kane & Lynch, SWAT, or any such I play on the side of the cops. Although I've been to more police funerals than I care to admit to and see the anguish firsthand when working with Backstoppers, I myself never was on the TAC OPS team (SWAT, HRT, whatever your city calls them) I've known many who were. Even though obviously the loss of life in not even close to comparable to wartime situation for military members, it does happen.

That background being stated, in games of cops -vs- robbers I obviously join the Law Enforcement side whenever possible, however when stuck playing the criminal side of things I don't hesitate as I know it is a visual form of entertainment and I know it's necessary to have criminals being played in order to have the other side existent. Again I know this doesn't compare to what our service members endure as I've never seen a fellow Officer fall, however from my perspective it's not bothersome playing these games, rather it's Russia -vs- US, Criminals -vs- Cops, or in this case Taliban -vs- Coalition, because they are just that to me, games.

ODG6Actual

7 Sep 2010, 16:07

I think we need to pull this back onto the rails. Nobody here should be disparaging or cheapening anyone elses military service. All the different jobs in all the different services do what must be done to get the OVERALL job done. There are a lot of people that have some serious experience first hand whose MOS read like they were in the rear with the gear.

Bringing this back to center I would like to address the 'sleazy EA' comment.

IF you've been a fan of a 10 year franchise which is Medal of Honor which has been making military games in the WWII era you'll notice that in none of the games are there 'fictional' enemies. The whole point of the franchise was to make a game that honored the service of those at that time and space.

Frankly if we're going to be sensitive to what the ENEMY name is, then should we NOT honor US or other coalition/allied forces either and we'll just use fictional nations?

I dont know, seems like there's a whole lot of media and fringe kooks out there who want these wars and its warriors to be gone. War is something we do not aspire to but serve in hopes to one day not have them. If we start to smudge the lines, blur the campaigns and change the names then I think you do history a great disservice as you leave the media and the 'war stories' as the only way others may get a chance to know a little more. Im not saying that these games are a documentary but if in playing them, they learn a place, realize that a real battle occurred and that real blood, sweat and tears were shed in this setting depicted they may walk away with just some extra bit they may otherwise have missed.

EA didnt do a sleazy thing, if this war was over a year ago would this be an issue? 5 years ago? or does it have to be 50 or 60 years later when its acceptable? They could have gone the easy route but in going the hard route they might have brought more attention on those that serve and in that endeavor maybe done more good than just punching out another video game shooter for some kid to play and never give another thought.

Just my .02

TG xHITMANx

7 Sep 2010, 16:23

Who the fuck you are to judge me????

That's as far as I read your obviously emotional charged rant, and from the sounds of it you too must have missed the point by a mile or two.

This has nothing to do with someone being better than the other b/c of their MOS. I never compared any standards and surely NEVER even insinuated Infantry MOS's to be more honorable. You did that all in your own head somehow.

...deep breathe...again, here we go.....

1st OFF:
Heavy was nibbling around the edge of something to do with the EMOTIONAL DISCONNECTION of the current topic and between that of it's makers. Kind of like a Citizen Non-Veteran trying to tell a Veteran that bootcamp is easy. How the heck would they know? right?

2nd:
I wanted to add to his point and did so while thouroughly explaining my point of view. Maybe you should try reading it again.

What we are talking about and what you obviously missed is the fact that EA is asking us to partake in a First Person View, acting like the Taliban and killing Virtual American Servicemen.

Surely, of course and ABSOLUTELY there are many forms of combat experience that effect EVERYONE in MANY different jobs. Whether being shot at in a plane, or cleaning out blood soaked Humvee's etc.

However, NONE of those jobs INVOLVE the FIRST PERSON VIEW of Killing the Taliban or having your comrade next to you get killed by the Taliban.
*(Just like what is going to be happening in this game!!!)*

Yes of course lots of MOS's get Combat Exp, I KNOW THAT! and it effects them. Understood.

Fine, whatever, that's something completely off course to what I am talking about.

I'm not saying your opinion on the matter doesn't matter, I'm saying it's not the exactly the same in reference to the disconnect we are seeing in the game devs of MOH.

..and I'll judge whoever the fheck I want, I’ve paid my way to exercise my freedom of speech and opinion thank you :wink: [Didn't think I'd let you get away with that one did you?] :biggrin: :thumbup1:

I will agree that the high fliers, and the sea side navy might not share the attachment, but even sitting on a base you are affected. I will agree not to the emotional point of the guy there in the doorway but just being there leaves its mark. So don't discount that the feelings of they guy fixing the truck covered in blood and shell casings isnt feeling some of the impact themselves, that was what I meant.
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Oh they share the attachment, just a different one. that's my point. Not any lesser of an attachment, just a different one. I've never stated any different in any of my post.

Just trying to say that being inside the wire has the same connection as outside the wire.

If you were outside the wire and got Combat exp. then what I am saying in my examples DOES NOT APPLY to you :thumbup1:

ODG6Actual

7 Sep 2010, 16:33

TG xHITMANx

7 Sep 2010, 17:27

Thanks to all for being able to step back, this one has a chance or really heating up and Id like for cooler heads to prevail. If we were in person we'd all know HOW something was said or stated but we have to kind of guess here in cyberspace and that is sometimes a very bad thing.

I appreciate that each of you has a valid and coherant point of view. Ive even been approached about some of your comments and feelings being the source material of other official articles.

What is important here is that we keep a solid discussion on points and counters and not let things fly off the rails. I respect the hell out of you guys for having the guts and the balls to say what you mean in an open forum and give this issue its due discussion.

Thanks Rigger!

I would like to make it very clear though that I participate in several veterans programs around Louisiana. I HONOR ALL Military Service members regardless of their branch or MOS....yes even Puddle Jumpers :laugh:

When we do these Veterans Events on Fort Polk, LA I don't ask them if they were a grunt or not :rolleyes: I shake their hands, I welcome them home and HONOR their Service. Same with all my family members who are veterans. I hope that you guys are aware of my point I've been trying to make.

I think that as a Band of Brothers, we SHOULD give eachother the benefit of the doubt when discussing these issues on the board. We all know that TEXT can be taken out of context without knowing or fully understanding one another. So let's not go for the throat when we read something that sounds a little off. Let's make SURE that's what the other person meant, before we fix bayonets :001_cool:

RogueDOC

7 Sep 2010, 18:08

G4's Attack of The Show will discuss this very topic tonight.

Medal of Honor Controversy
After criticism over 'Medal of Honor' allowing gamers to play as a member of the Taliban, GameStop and the US Military have pulled the game from store shelves in protest for American soldiers. Kevin Pereira and Adam Sessler discuss the issue of banning video games over controversial content.

Read more: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/index.html#ixzz0yt6gQ900

It will be interesting to see what they have to say.

.Heavy

7 Sep 2010, 18:22

I feel sad for "Nibbling" as Hitman put it and read what everyone else has had to say here.

I respect all of you and feel that this has been a outstanding thread. Please let us step back and I will let this Subject rest.

I have had my own situations in trucking that required life or death and those are the reasons I cannot really play driving games too well. I wont revisit my own past about those because it was not yet my time. I consider myself somewhat damaged and avoid situations in real life that will cause certain reactions. I live at home in peace with my wife and am very thankful for it with each day I have because the nights are long.

If this was any other site on the Internet or a face to face discussion among people who don't have courage, balls, honor and integrity to speak freely and yet stay on topic as much as possible it would have collapsed into oblivion a very long time ago.

All I can say here to finish my participation in this particular subject is to respectfully thank each and everyone of you both for your Service and also for all of your thoughts. I have learned a lot and yes as a Civilian made some decisions regarding gaming if this is going to be a trend in the future with the Marketing Hype we always endure when each game is created, put into beta and then released.

As far as Korea is concerned, my Stepfather said this. "I will not be cold ever again and I will not see too many of those damn hills no more." And he backed this statement up by making a good life making sure that People have plenty to eat and drink at the Tavern. And no one went hungry. Ever.

With that in mind and knowing his Company/Platoon History at Chosin Reservoir I am not going to even talk about video games with this Person. What He experienced is both history and very personal and I can respect that. I have to because without him and his efforts in my own life I would not have had a education that I have been given nor the freedom that goes with it.

Cheers. Be safe out there.

TG xHITMANx

7 Sep 2010, 23:22

G4's Attack of The Show will discuss this very topic tonight.

It will be interesting to see what they have to say.

Meh.... Two Non Combat Veterans saying that they are ok with it and who think that if you have a problem with MoH you shouldn't be playing War games at all.

They too made the erroneous claim about BF Vietnam, WWII games etc.

They also confirmed that you WILL be playing as Taliban in the single player game mode.

RogueDOC

8 Sep 2010, 11:48

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Meh.... Two Non Combat Veterans saying that they are ok with it and who think that if you have a problem with MoH you shouldn't be playing War games at all.

They too made the erroneous claim about BF Vietnam, WWII games etc.

They also confirmed that you WILL be playing as Taliban in the single player game mode.

Yea I agree with you say about Non Combat Veterans talking about this.

Also Adam Sessler states that he "has not played the game and not sure if it is in the game". Refering to playing as Taliban in SP mode. It is at about the 2:25 section of the video.

ODG6Actual

8 Sep 2010, 12:29

Ive checked with a reputable source at the highest levels of MOH development.

No there is no playable taliban in SP.

TG xHITMANx

8 Sep 2010, 13:20

Ive checked with a reputable source at the highest levels of MOH development.

Thanks Rigger, I was really feeling sick over that one b/c in one of the clips they kept showing it looked like you were a Taliban insurgent stabbing someone else. Good Clarification

ODG6Actual

8 Sep 2010, 13:23

Thanks Rigger, I was really feeling sick over that one b/c in one of the clips they kept showing it looked like you were a Taliban insurgent stabbing someone else. Good Clarification

Not a problem, happy to sort that out.

.Heavy

8 Sep 2010, 13:25

Me too.

I wish to play as a Marine in Single Player. If the game is built to force me to play the Taliban in Single player I would have to cancel the pre-order and that is that.

Or forget the Single player entirely and move on to something else.

This whole thing makes me want to open a completely new thread dealing entirely about Game Company Marketing Cookie Monster Hype Machine that always, always gets cranked up before each game release.

I am getting to the point that I hate the Marketing totally. Enough to go on a crusade or something.

I wonder if we, the gamers are being harvested for every dollar they can get off us before we actually understand totally what is in the game. Here in the United States, once you open a game product, you bought it. No returns allowed.

Thank you Rigger for the clarification.

This has been and getting a bit emotional for me and I will leave it here. I know I have said that before and I should. But each day something new comes up and reveals something.

U. G. H.

RogueDOC

8 Sep 2010, 13:54

TG xHITMANx

8 Sep 2010, 14:45

I am sure that was a Tier 1 Operative dressed as a local to fit in.

That's what I thought too, but with Adam pitching the playing as Taliban and then showing that clip it made me wonder.